Optics and Scopes: What’s the Right Choice? Prepper School Vol. 44

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Okay I'm ready What's going on guys sensible prepper Live prepper School volume 44. Thanks Robbie that was a great that's Just awesome 44. I've been getting 43 episodes to do That what are you gonna do in 99 Great to have you guys you guys with us Uh we really appreciate it and uh have Robbie Wheaton here from Wheaton arms Also Wheaton arms YouTube channel check It out been a gunsmith for over 20 years And uh knows a lot about guns and that's Really a cool thing on this web series YouTube channel is he takes a kind of a Different perspective and uh really Excited plus wheatonarms.com they have Block aftermarket parts that and the Flat face triggers the best on the Market period for an aftermarket that That match trigger flat face is just Beautiful plus you're doing all the Dagger upgrades for the palm of State Armory which for theirs so they're doing He's doing these parts for Palmetto State Armory to upgrade their daggers Yeah we've got the new uh dagger blade Trigger system that's going to be coming Out any day now as soon as they finish It with photography and get that rolled Out so they're they're sitting on those I'm I'm pretty excited about that yeah There's a there's going to be a lot of Really happy people out there when they

Get their hands on those triggers are Fantastic and so anyway it's it's just a Great Um Feather in the cap which makes it really Nice but they also fit the Glocks as Well that's right clones all the Gen one Through four is correct so um you need To check those out and uh if you have a Glock and you buy one if you have two Glocks you'll want another one But we're in ceramax over at the Computer she will be taking questions uh When we get we take a couple of breaks Uh today we're going to talk a little Bit something different yeah I'm pretty Excited about that yeah well I you know I knew this was in your well house as Well and you know guys Um this could have gone on the suits Channel but I just thought that it's Important because Optics are important And there's a lot of choices it's Confusing as heck I mean especially if You're new to Firearms right there's so Many different options available out There that you really if you're not Experienced with what you're looking at You're really overwhelmed right I mean We you don't see it here but we've got a Table full of Optics and uh you know We're just gonna kind of we're just Gonna talk about it now we're not going To talk about any kind of Brands we will

Be talking a little bit about quality uh But we're not going to be necessarily Speaking of Brands we'll be bringing up Some names probably but um there are a Lot of options there are high-end Options I mean very expensive Scopes out There and there are budget options and The budgets sometimes are good sometimes Are solid yeah and then you have budgets That won't hold up uh and you know There's a lot of different type Scopes Out there so we just wanted to go Through uh some ideas if you're looking For an optic because here's the thing About Optics and they did a big study With US military talking about Optics Versus irons and the advantages hugely Outweigh any kind of deficit I mean Having an optic on your firearm gives You a big Advantage it does the hip Factor goes way way up with Optics Versus iron sights on a firearm yeah Especially the further out you you get The longer the distance is your hit Probability is much higher with a Magnified optic or even a red dot than It is with just iron sights right right I mean you know and we're going to start Out with just you know well we're going To start out with back out back up iron Sights or just Standard Iron I mean that It's a that's a good thing you need to Be able to shoot guns with iron sights And some of you may have heard the term

Online or seen it typed out somewhere B-u-i-s buists and that is an Abbreviation for backup iron sights and Doesn't matter if it's for a handgun Rifle shotgun or whatever boosts or just Backup iron sights for your optic right And you know Magpul they even call those The Buis that's right you know backup iron Sights Um and you know having especially like If you have you're running an AR-15 or Something like that it's really good to Have them because Optics can fail And so you want to make sure that you Have something that you can rely on if That happens well you know even way back In the day with you know your hunting Rifles in the the 70s and the 80s and Maybe even into the early 90s a lot of Your scope rings had a large opening Below the ring and then the scope rings On top where you could still use your Iron sights in case your optic failed Right because you see through sites Right because optic quality even 30 Years ago was suspect in a lot of cases Unless you were buying really high-end Optics right I mean reticles could fail Things can happen and uh especially if You're running a red dot if you're Running just a standard Red Dot uh Electronics can fail I mean it makes it Easy you could drop this you could bust

It uh you could go dead right I mean There's a lot of things especially now One of the things about red dots I Personally like etched reticles for my Red dots and that way if the dot goes Out I still have that point of aim That's right and so this is very Important in fact there was a story in World War II where it was a bonsai Charge on one of the South Pacific Islands and the guy pulled up his rifle And his sight was bent off and so he was Having to figure out where he was Shooting a little Kentucky Windows yeah That's right yeah but without even I Mean it was elevation and when Jim was Like man he was shooting all over the Place and uh he finally figured it out And was able to they were able to stop The charge because he was a point man But you know that's the thing a lot of Times if you can see your impact see Where the round hits and nowhere in what Angle you were looking down the barrel It's once you know where that round hits It's pretty easy to adjust from there Even at distance you know if you're Shooting uh like a 240 or a 249 saw or a Mark 19 grenade launcher you know if You're if you're shooting those at Distance a lot of times you adjust based Off of your impacts or you adjust based Off of your tracers right because the The Recoil of the gun will actually blur

Your vision especially on a 249 right um It'll blur your vision when you shoot it So you really can't see the sights but You can still see the tracers going down Range so you adjust based off of the Tracer impact right but since we well we Could get tracers but since that's not Typically the norm uh you know having Backup iron sights are just a great way To go around squirrel no that's fine That was interesting actually but uh you Know having those back up iron sights uh Now one of the things there's a lot of Choices when it comes to micro red dots You know you can go with the aim points Which are typically pretty expensive or Even Trijicon I mean those those are Fairly expensive one of the things I do Like about Trijicon typically is they do Have reticles in some of their sites but Now and some of their and we're not Going to get into necessarily micro red Dots that go on handguns right that's a Matter of choice uh because typically You're you're shooting at a close range But Micro red dots are becoming Extremely popular on handguns a lot of Your law enforcement agencies are Switching over to micro red dots Um our County where we live have also Switch to micro red dots I had a a County a couple of couple of counties Over from us called me last week about Us Milling all of their slides on their

Glocks for uh micro red dots which That's one thing that weak Norms also Does yeah but it's becoming much much More popular and the biggest reason why You're starting to see a surge in Popularity in micro red dots on handguns Or the micro red dots have finally got To the point that they're reliable They'll work and they'll last without Breaking you know we I started shooting Red dots on handguns back in the late 90s in USPSA competition and back then The only Red Dot that was durable enough To last through the through competitions And you know thousands and thousands of Rounds of training was the Seymour and It had sealed Electronics in it it was Big it was huge I mean it was like Probably four inches long and actually Bolted to the frame itself of the pistol Wow and but they worked you know they Were they were big and bulky and robust But they were durable and they lasted And you know that's been 98 it's been Over 20 years To get to the point that we are today to Where we're finally starting to see These micro red dots that are reliable Enough and durable enough to stand up to Everyday carry and the rigors of Competition but you know the the Trijicon RMR really kind of started Everything to get those micro videos Absolutely set the bar with that one but

They were as expensive as some handguns Yeah uh so you know it's really nice to See especially holasan holasan has Really kind of taken a lead in doing a Lot of things so again we're not going To talk about handgun sites but we're Going to talk about handgun sites Um that's fine but you can use those Micro red dots on rifles yes uh the one Thing you want to do when you're when You're putting a red dot on a rifle Because I have one of my AR-15s is set Up with a Trijicon armor it has a one MOA Dot and that's one of the things on Your handgun you want a larger MOA right With a rifle you want a smaller MOA but And what MOA is that's minute of angle Or one inch at 100 yards so for every MOA that dot size is that's the amount Of your target surface that they that Doc's going to cover at 100 yards one MOA dot is going to cover one inch a 6 MOA dot will cover six inches at 100 Yards which is a lot yeah especially in A rifle yeah because you're going to Typically shoot longer ranges so you Know that's uh that's a very important Thing because a lot of times you look at MOA and you're just like I'll take a Three yeah I'll take a four hey what the Heck what you got in stock today And it kind of allows you to kind of Focus in with this the three or the four On a pistol you're going to get a little

Better accuracy uh with a rifle though It's very important because if you're at 100 yards and you're looking at a 4 MOA That's four inches that'll cover up your Target and so um you know just keep that In mind when you're looking at red dots That you want a smaller MOA for a rifle Typically Um you know and then the some of the Nine millimeters you could probably go a Little bit bigger but and you know just Kind of put it in perspective a 4moa DOT Covers four inches at 100 yards it Covers two inches at 50 yards it only Covers one inch at 25 yards which is 25 Yards is probably going to be the Extreme side of your handgun distance That you'd be shooting it in a defensive Situation that's true that's a good Point that's a good point that's why That's why Robbie earns his earns his Pay brought my big brain Okay so red dots now there are a lot of Different type micro red dice they're The small ones and then there are some Of the larger ones uh this is Um from primary arms it's the Cyclops uh It's a large but this is a prism scope And prism Scopes are made to be super Robust you can hardly Dent you can you Can well you probably could if you ran Over with a tank but uh they're really Tough and they really hold up and that's One of the things especially with recoil

Yeah so a prism scope like this but one Of the things I like about this scope And then here's one from AimPoint pretty Large reticle or site but with the Primary arms it has an etched reticle But one of the other things that I love About it is it has a diopter and so I Can adjust this to focus for my eyes That's right and the older I get the More important that is well you know we See it sometimes when we go to the range And we're using we're you know we're Swapping back and forth with rifles and Stuff the we both have to adjust the Doubt or for our eyes because what What I see looks really blurry to him And what he sees looks really blurry to Me so you know we'll flop down on the Bench and start shooting the first thing You're doing cranking and cranking You're like oh there it is it's finally In Focus so if you have issues with These micro red dots you're like I see a Bloom I see a starburst you know you Could have astigmatism there can be a Lot of things that can cause this to Look like just you can't even really Focus you know and I'm glad you brought Up a stigmatism uh that's one thing that A lot of people have with their eyes They they have an astigmatism Um a lot of your red dots that have a Red dot you'll either see a figure eight Or you'll see two separate individual

Dots inside the scope Try looking at a green red dot instead Of or a Green Dot instead of the Red Dot Generally the Green Dot even with Astigmatism your eye can focus on that And it won't Starburst or twist or split Into two different dots yeah that's That's an excellent point because a lot Of guys are talking about that this past Weekend but you know there are some Other options so don't just necessarily Settle I mean somebody goes oh I want a T2 you know aim point because it's the Deal but what you see is what you get You don't get any adjustment and there Are other Scopes out there not just this Primary arms that have that that reticle That you can adjust and then again this One has the etch reticle and they do Make the SLX which is their new versions Which I have them mounted on rifles I Really like that optic uh that one it Has the diopter it's smaller it's more Toward this size and yet it has an X Reticle so again we weren't going to Talk necessarily about Brands but if That is an issue that you have that's Something that you really need to think About and there's a fix for it and I'll Tell you a big thing with red dots that A lot of people will they'll mount a red Dot way back where it's right here in Front of your eye all right like this In a defensive situation so I'm I'm left

Eye dominant I've got the tube mounted Up here really close to my left eye Well it forces me to have tunnel vision Where I'm looking directly through the Scope and I don't see what's going on Around me when you mount a red dot you Always want to mount a red dot forward So you're you see through it but you Still have your peripheral vision out Around as well that's good yeah because That is one thing about an optic is kind Of bring it here it'll suck it'll suck You right into the tube right it will And you do I fatigue yep so um that is An excellent point so you know there's a Ton of different now one of the things We don't actually have right here on the Table is a holographic site like an EOTech and there are a number of Different companies that make them now Yeah where's almost the night vision Stuff dude that's like oh I didn't bring That out Um yeah I've got a big night fighter 101 Coming up that's another episode yeah That's all well we did one earlier about A little bit about it but um we're going To talk a little bit about it toward the End uh but first off and these are zero Magnification this is just zero Magnification now I do want to say Something about that particularly is That with a lot of these sites we can Shoot man-sized targets at 300 yards

Without any problem with a red dot uh so You know if you're looking for a scope And you're like man I really need to get Some magnification to get out there you Don't necessarily yeah you know the the Biggest downside that I found to a red Dot once you start getting out at Distance isn't necessarily making hits It's actually Target identification once You get out good point once you 200 Yards not an issue once you get out past 200 you get to 250 you get to 300 if the Lighting is right sunlight's right Cloudy day or whatever it's easy to make Reliable hits when the targets are lit Up when the targets slide back into the Shade they can disappear on you with a With a red dot you just won't be able to See them so inside of 300 the Red Dot Works well you get outside of 300 Without some magnification if the Lighting conditions are correct they Work awesome if the lighting conditions Are not you're going to struggle to be Able to see the targets to hit them now There's also speaking of which Magnifiers and magnifiers are great Because you can take these and you can Pop these out of the way nice way and Yeah and this really just goes if I can Actually work this one it's not mounted So it makes it more difficult but oh There it goes okay so this one I can put It on my I have my Red Dot in front I

Have this out of the way for close Quarter and then if I need to do Something I can just push this and I can Bring it back and line it up with my Red Dot so this gives me 3x magnification or Just open sights with just the Red Dot And so this is something that a lot of People like to have on their on their Firearms AR-15s especially it makes Really nice and you know I like the Magnifiers the magnifiers work well I Love being able to fold them out of the Way and be able to just use the dot flip It over for magnification when I need The magnification the only downside is You're basically adding two Optics on Top of your rifle and it adds a lot of Weight to your rifle right and just bulk The right it's bulk and weight is the Biggest thing that you're adding when You when you add the magnifiers I mean Let's face it guys we can come in you Know with you know something large on Our AR-15 and you know to me what I like To do is to get the smallest optic that Can be the most effective and it's it Really matters more it's a personal Preference thing I think or what you Think you might need but red dots again You can get out to 300 yards like Robbie Said there may be some Target Identification on out there the the mag The magnifier would definitely help Again prisms which are on the list as

Well these are built like tanks they're Really strong and so but now one thing Too and I do want to mention this let's Take this primary arms which these are Excellent optics for your money but then We have an AimPoint and you know the Thing is is with aim points they go Through a really rigorous testing period Uh they're usually Um you know they can be they can serve In the US military because they've gone Through a lot of Trials generally they Have around a one double A battery they Have 80 to 100 000 of run time so you Can put a double A in it turn it on Leave it on for 10 years and then Replace it replace the double A battery In it well but the the 30 the 2032s they This one particular has like I mean it's Got a 50 000 hour battery life too so they've Really upped they have a lot of the Battery life on these Um but the one thing about the aim point That and I haven't actually compared These two together but glass is vital Optical Clarity Optical Clarity and That's one of the things a lot of people One of the mantras or just kind of the Rules for Optics is that the Optics Should cost as much as your firearm now A lot of people are like I'm not paying That you know and I understand but I was Out at nothing fancy a few years ago for

An All-Star shoot and we were out in the Desert and we were shooting targets 300 Yards and he had this gray plate and it Was next to these bushes and you could You couldn't even see it I mean you Really couldn't pick it up with the Optic I was using and I kept looking and Looking somebody handed me a Trijicon ACOG and I went oh there it is ding ding Ding ding and I was able to hit it the Glass Clarity will focus in it will Allow you to get the detail so much Better that's right you know I'm that's One of the things one of the biggest Things that I look at when I'm looking At a magnified optic is the clarity of The glass as well as the uh the F Factor How much light the scope can draw in the Higher the higher the F Factor the more Light the scope can draw in But what you want to look at with a Magnified optic when you're looking for Glass Clarity is how clear is it at the Edges because a lot of times what you'll See you look to the center and the Middle of the scope looks good you're Like oh it looks really clear start Looking toward the outside edges when Companies use less than You know less than quality glass you'll Start seeing cloudiness or you'll start Start seeing uh Fuzziness right along the blurriness on The edges and when I say the edge it can

Be anywhere from a sixteenth of an inch All the way around to a quarter of an Inch all the way around that you see Looking through the scope where it Starts getting cloudy and a lot of times That's where you pay more for your Optics or with the the clarity of the Glass well you know with with primary Arms and I keep bringing those up Because we do we do a lot of primary Arms Optics I mean they're just Excellent they're medium price Scopes They're not really budget budget they're Medium price but they have a really Great quality control and Dimitri who Does all their reticles actually test The reticles physically out in the Desert and sets those I mean and I don't Know of any other company that actually Does that they they put a lot of time And effort into their Scopes as well as Their Optics before they release them Right but one thing they do have is a Premium line they have their their Premium line Optics and those are Japanese glass and they are really good They're expensive but they're really Good okay so um that's pretty much the I Want to kind of go through some red dots First and we've kind of gone through a Lot of that uh let's go ahead and we're Going to go to some questions just a few Minutes because I want to let Sarah Mack Make sure she's ready for him and then

Uh and then we'll take a break so if you Have some questions you want to throw Those up but one thing I do love about Smaller Optics is you have a handy right Let's say you're carrying an AR-15 and You know you're not going to put this on A hunting rifle or a bolt action really Well you could but hopefully you know What's on my you know what's on my Marlin my Marlin 336 what It's it's a hundred yard Bush gun oh Well that's different you know it's and That's what it's designed for is the Rifle is made for quick lightweight easy To pack and and I've got a red dot on it For that reason right if I'm carrying That rifle if I take that rifle hunting It's something that I'm going to have up And you know a lot of times I'm just Doing some spot install and some thicker Brush and It's it'll be a situation where I see a Deer and I've got just a second to snap The rifle up acquire it and take the Shot and you have more periphery so if That deer runs you can you can track it A little bit better or do whatever and With the optic mounted 4 forward on the Rifle I've got all of my peripheral Vision out here in front of me as well As still being able to see the sun like A scout scout setup it is it is a lot Like a scout setup one thing too about Red dots they're great for shotgun yes

Uh you know if you have one on a shotgun You're able to really find it and uh I Tell you if if you've ever shot Sporting Clays with iron sights and you go and Shoot Sporting Clays with a red dot it Is absolutely cheating Most of your most of your uh your Sanctioned bodies won't allow them ah Because they're it's it's so much easier With a red dot than it is without right I'm sure and two you know you just have That front bead so back here you have it A little closer and you're able to get To it so red dots awesome and they do Have a lot of capability but they do Have their limitations they do and so uh Then we're going to get into some Magnified Optics and kind of talk about That a little bit all right Sarah Mack What you got uh Brian Johnson asked AR-15 scope or Red Dot can you recommend A decent scope under 300. yep And it really depends on what you want To do with it if you're planning on Shooting inside of 200 225 yards I would Say go with a red dot if you're going to Shoot past 225 I would look at a low Power variable something in the one to Six power range And primary arms makes a excellent scope Uh that is they make they make the one By six and then they've also got a 4×14 With an illuminated reticle and several Different reticle options for the 556

That's under 300 or you know you can go With a red dot with a magnifier right But you know you can go with a one to Six one to eight one to Fours we're real Popular first but they've kind of moved To the one to six because it's about the Same size that's right what I love about It is like you have a red dot it one Power and it's not typically true one Power it's usually 1.25 or 1.5 but it's Still right in there so it makes it easy To be able to get up close uh and then You can get out to distance if you want To bump it up you you know what I found With a lot of Skips that are like what They call a true one power they actually Demagnify some ah so things look you Know like the mirror on your car objects Are closer than they appear yeah it's The same way it'll actually demagnify About half a power and things look Further away than they actually are That's interesting Oh but yeah I mean the one thing is with The question please tell the question uh Is this is great and it comes in 30 Millimeter you can get them 34 Millimeter which is just allows for more Light that's right transmission a little More adjustability with your elevation As well and windage right and the acss Reticle in here uh is incredible but uh It is large and so you've got to weigh It out do you want something this long I

Mean which this isn't as large as a lot Of different Scopes and is long but it's Still a large optic and so it's According to that you know how you want To set it up and that's the reason why There's so many different ones Uh Mr Lamp will ask question what is a Reliable hunting rifle for a budget Prepper Uh The Savage model 110 or Savage Model 112s are some of the best rifles that You can get for the money uh they're Extremely accurate right out of the box They generally come with a synthetic Stock you can go to stainless steel or Blued finishes the stainless steel Finish is really durable and they're I Think you can get them with a scope for About 399 dollars that's a that's a deal And Savage just because of the price Again they are I've had a lot of Different Savages through here and they Are excellent and they are highly Accurate and if they have their Accu Trigger on it it is a phenomenal trigger So yeah I don't know that anybody can Really beat Savage as far as you know I Think it's quality for the price point And the accuracy that you get out of a Savage I think they're Head and Shoulders above everyone else in the Industry yeah uh Rockford F-150 base Um asks what's the best RMR or Red Dot For the shadow systems mr-920

That's a nice game so I I personally Like the Uh primary arms uh 507c with the acss Reticle it's got a large Circle that When you present the pistol to shoot it You don't see the large Circle all you See is a little Chevron in the center If your site is off to one side or the Other you'll see an edge of the circle That tells you which way to steer the Site back to align the center Chevron up And it's actually the whole assigned but Holness on makes primary arms red dots Which is kind of fun but you have to buy That one exclusively primary with the Acss reticle you'll see there you go uh Yeah hold a sign for the money uh again That's another one that's just really Doing well for your micro red dots you Can't beat them yeah cannot beat them For the price point uh John G asks hi SM Hi Don and Robbie any preference on Red Dot color red versus green Green if you have eye stigmatisms or any Kind of eye problems they just pick up That or we just uh we kind of address That but it's uh yeah Green typically is Better for the eye it's easier to pick Up than red so uh I would choose green Yeah for for me I've got I've got really Good eyes and red works really well for Me uh green sometimes especially here in The in the sunny South where we live in The summertime green can kind of get

Lost in the foliage unless you have the Dot turned up really bright so I like The contrast to a lot of the background Where we live with the red but if I had A stigmatism it would be green 100 of The time well and that just and that's The reason why they still make red and Green so I mean there are some great Options but uh yeah for those two Reasons that would be the toy y'all Choose uh find out Design Studios ask How would battery operated Optics hold Up if an EMP happened Um you know the one thing about emps uh If it's you know there's a lot of Theories behind it so you know it's not Necessarily we don't really know what's Going to happen uh they do they know They did testing and yes it does Fry Electronics I would to what intensity And you know I would I would speculate With a lot of the electronics a lot of The red dots that we have today because They do have miniature circuit boards in Them excuse me because they have Miniature circuit boards in them that There's a good chance that an EMP would Kill a red dot that has any type of Circuit board or computer chip in it Yeah I mean that's definitely so for me What I would if I was concerned about That which I am uh I like the edge Reticle yeah because at least you have An extra reticle that's right

Yeah there's still a without even Without the Red Dot on the etched Reticle you still have a definitive Aiming point and that's still a usable Optic for you well during the day I Don't use illuminated Optics I very Seldom do either I you know I just get The daylight and then when it starts to Get low light I'm starting to bump it up And that's really what they're made for Uh Kevin White had to ask are there Red Dot sights for a Glock Jeep Plate Um yeah yes but you have to have the Slide milled Um Uh Trijicon makes one I'm not sure what The model number of theirs is uh and Then primary arms or uh Holy Sun makes one as well theirs is Either the 407k or the 507k and the K is Designed specifically for the narrower Slides on like the Sig p365s and the uh The Glock 4343x yeah but you still have To have this slide right the slot has to Be milled and then it bolts directly to The slide itself which we have a guy Here to do that Uh Gary Hernandez self-defense and urban Survival says hi guys with the time Change happening soon do you find Yourself carrying a different EDC when You leave in the daytime because it may Be night when you get back or are you

The same no matter what I personally just carry what I carry I Change guns like underwear well I I Change guns but if I'm going to carry it I don't you know I don't really consider That and and maybe that's a detriment But um you know I now I'm a big night Sight guy Robbie's not uh I like the Night sights on my gun so if it's low Light it's fine if it's not you know Then I have I have sites iron sights uh But you know as far as red dots I mean To me that would be a big Advantage at Night so and it's according to where I'm Going as to what I'm carrying right Right for me if I'm going somewhere you Know that I've really just put it this Way I just need to be very discreet very Discreet then uh you know I have Different options right but then if I'm Going to carry just normal everyday Carry you know I switch those things out All the time too like Robbie I don't Quite change them as much as anywhere You know like normal everyday carry you Know a lot of times I carry a glock 19x And uh you know because he's a big guy It's easy for me to carry and it's easy For me to conceal it Um and like you were saying if I'm going Somewhere where I need to be a little More discreet a lot of times I'll carry A North American Arms 22 magnum I've got A little holster for it just slides in

My front pocket and disappears so but It's it's all a lot of that is Situationally dependent right now I Typically I'll carry a Sig p365 if I Want to be really discreet appendix Carry it's easy to conceal uh and then Like right now I have on a p365 XL but And I have it on the outside of the Waistband that's the beautiful thing About winter time but then seasons do Change I've been carrying the 320 Compact some ah and uh playing with it We've got some new upcoming stuff coming Out pretty soon yeah 320. yeah we're Looking at some different things okay Let's go ahead we'll get back some Questions in a few minutes and uh so if You've already answered asked them Hopefully we'll get to them uh okay so Next goes and we started kind of talking About this a little bit with one of the Questions is you're one to four one to Six one to eight uh these are scopes That are really jack of all trades they Are they're you know in One X you've Basically got a with an illuminated Reticle you've got a red dot sight and Then you have the ability to wind the Magnification up to four six eight or Even 10x Now with uh some of your higher End Scopes but it gives you really the Best of both worlds in a pretty small Compact lightweight package most of These scopes with a with the mount on

Them weigh around a pound or just a Little over and they're they're Extremely versatile yeah I love the Quick detach you can take them on and Off if you have an issue with it you can Pop it off and you can use your backup Irons this is a 34 millimeter it's a one To eight and I believe this one's a one To six uh sometimes you know you've got A little bit you've got advantages with The one to eight because you can a Little more light transmission with this 34 millimeter uh compared to the 30 Millimeter which uh you know it still Gives you plenty of light but uh this Gives you a little bit Advantage but This is a heavier scope it's thicker It's bigger and so and two Mount choices Are going to come into play as well There are lots of different Mount Choices if you're mounting it on an AR-15 you need to use what's called a Cantilever Mount and that actually moves The scope forward like these have So the cantilever Mount you want the Back of your ocular at the rear here to Be just above the top of the charging Handle and that gives you a good eye Relief and still allows you access to Your charging handle if you just run Straight up rings on it Um I don't know if I even have one with Stripes I've got some mounted oh here Here's one straight up front there we go

So if you run a set of straight up rings Like this on your AR-15 there's no way To get the scope mounted far enough Forward to be and still keep the rings On the receiver sometimes if you get a Big pick rail on the top of your hand Guard you can mount it far enough Forward on the handguard I'm not a big Proponent of that I like for my rings to Be mounted to the receiver itself to the Upper receiver and the only way to do That on an AR and get the proper eye Relief is what the cantilever Mount but The one thing about these standard Rings Other than an AR-15 is they're just Smaller they're they weigh less right it Really makes I mean some of these mounts This one in particular this is an American defense Mount these things are Great quick detach but it adds some Weight it does and they tried to Skeletonize it as much as they could to Pull as much weight out as possible but It you know with all the levers and Everything it does still add some extra Weight to your rifle that you won't have With regular rings So one to six again Um you know it is a larger scope so you Go away from the Red Dot which is very You know minimal to something that's More capable and so it just gives you Some advantages there and these have Become very popular

Me personally anything from contact Distance to 600 yards has either a one By six or a one by eight on it right Because of a couple of reasons one the Field of view that I have at any of the Magnification ranges is much larger than Any of your higher higher power variable Scopes so I've got a larger field of View for close-up stuff and still a Larger field of view for distance shots As well right and uh it just I mean These are just excellent Scopes I highly Recommend them one thing too about these Particular is if you're thinking about More of a self-defense firearm more than Just a uh hunting option which this will Work for hunting too but the Self-defense option that one to six and It's really the acss reticle was Designed with this in mind just one to Six and so uh it's called you know just A it's a combat radical yeah BDC Ballistic drop compensating reticle so The reticle is graduated from 100 Generally out to 600 yards with Holdovers that you can use at each one Of those yardage points Um and it's calibrated with a specific Projectile generally either 69 grain Projectiles and a 556 or 75 or 77 grain Depending on the manufacturer of the Scope and what a lot of people don't Realize is out to 500 yards those same Numbers those same hash marks will cross

Over to a 308 right right they and they Do and you can see it typically and That's one thing to look for sometimes The reticles are on 300 Blackout or 7.6039 or some different calibers and so When you're buying a scope it does Matter the caliber with a lot of these Scopes that's right especially if you Have the bullet drop compensation and I Highly recommend having that because it Really allows you to move away from Kentucky windage to getting a little More precise to make those precise shots Yeah and windage they have actually wind Holdovers if the if the wind's going Five miles an hour you know it even has A hash mark to be able to lead into that Yeah for a half value and full value Wins but you know the big thing you want To look just like Donald's saying you Want to look at the scope before you buy It and see what the box says is it for a 556 is it for a 308 a 762 by 39 300 Blackout supersonic or 300 Blackout Subsonic you know a 300 Blackout Subsonic is not going to work on Anything else that's going to be very Specific just to that particular Cartridge you can have some overlap with Some of the other ones but the blackout Is very very specific to that one Cartridge and I'll just be quite honest I've used Scopes that weren't Necessarily calibrated on different

Calibers oh yeah and it worked but it's Not going to give you the optimum Performance with that bullet drop that's Right and and two it's according to the Kind of reticle and that's one thing too I mean you've got your your standard Hunting reticles with a post you know And in your crosshairs and find duplex Or or a heavy duplex or like you know The German reticles and stuff they're They're great hunting Scopes they're Great for you know 200 yards you know You sight your rifle in at 100 at 200 You're going to be about two inches low You can reach out to 300 and you know Most cartridges are going to fall around A 12 inch drop at 300 uh or one mil so You know that at 300 you're 9 to 12 Inches low and you can kind of hold over And factor for that but really past 300 Yards you've exceeded the limitation of That scope right right and so this gives You just some capability to get out There and of course you know it takes Practice and you know unfortunately There's not a lot of ranges out there That are over 100 yards for that matter Uh we're very fortunate the Clinton House will remembers uh it they have a Mile range which you know which this is Funny and I do want to bring this up When we were shooting the mile uh we had A big PSA deal down coming to State Armory deal down there and so they were

Shooting at a mile they set the scope Magnification to sixth power So you've got a scope over here that has 24 power 18 power you know but they had Six power and the reason why is because When you get up to those distances any Minute movement is going to move you all Over the place sure well think about it Like this the the more you magnify the Scope the more you magnify your wiggle Yeah that's right so you crank the Magnification up to 30X and you know You're going to see your heartbeat in The scope at distance every time it's Just going to go Yeah yeah So lower magnification and you know rule Of thumb that I've always used is 2x for The first 100 yards and 1X of Magnification for every 100 yards after That and you know so a thousand yards You're only using 10 or 11x power Um 2000 yards 20 or 21x right and that Really helps to minimize the movement But still allow you to get a good visual View of your target right that's a good That's a great point and and we've shot Quite a bit a thousand yards and uh you Know I highly recommend it if you ever Get a chance and it's there's a science To it oh yes I mean it's pretty Incredible okay so illuminated reticles Now we touched on that especially with

Red dots uh illuminated reticles I mean There's so many Scopes now that have it It's a great Advantage I highly Recommend it you know the big thing with Illuminated reticles are low light Situations you know it's early morning It's late evening you're inside a Dwelling or a house or inside a shady Area where it's harder for you to see The reticle that's where the Illumination really really shines and The ability to be able to dial it and Adjust the brightness to an individual Situation or with a lot of your Scopes Now with the electronics that are in Them they'll automatically adjust for You to different lighting conditions and You know it's one thing like hunting and I remember the first time I went hunting With an illuminated reticle scope it Gives you an extension during the time Because when you're looking out there in The bush and then you know you you can't Even see your reticle the black reticle Just disappears so if you have just a Little bit of magnification you can Follow that reticle and you know where You are also one thing about a lot of These Scopes is the glass how much light It allows that also affects not just the Size of the tube but the glass A lot of Times in a lot of because the technology Is getting there it is more light Gathering and so um I know uh Burris we

Had some that we were working with and They were made for that you know picking Up that extra time that's right it's Called the F Factor the higher the F Factor number you know 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8 There's some Scopes that get up in Almost to three or maybe a little above Three but the higher the F Factor number The more light Gathering capability of That scope has okay so now we're going To come up on some questions I just want To give Sarah Mack a heads up if we have Some and uh we'll go ahead and take a Little break and talk about that Uh Ryan Clement asked how do you guys Feel about an lpbo with a red dot on a 45 degree mount for an AR Yeah they work out really well Um you know the the only downside to a 45 degree Mount is if you're Right-handed it's counted off the right Side of the gun if it's left-handed it's Candid off the left side of the gun and If for some reason you needed to switch To left hand on a right-handed dot it You have to roll the rifle into you Which is kind of awkward to be able to Get to that red dot and use it But other than that they work very well And it's it's a great option it's a Great close range option Um that's very fast you know guys that They shoot three gun have been doing it Forever and a day mounting a 45 degree

Optic uh just you know even before we Had the red dots we used to mount pistol Sites at a 45 degree angle for close Targets and uh since the red dots have Came along you know the old pistol sight Rail has went away and everybody Switched over to uh to mounting an optic At 45 degrees now yeah and that's what We're talking about it's just mounting Where you have your scope you have a Little site on the side and you can just Turn it and you know like Magpul makes Uh they're off um offset sites and I Have those on in fact my go-to rifles Have those instead of having the backups On the rail I have those offset so they Kind of come down you can flip them up And that way I can just take the rifle And turn it I don't have to remove my Scope because sometimes the scope will Interfere with that site being able to Pop up that's right so you know but Having a small little uh you know a lot Of guys would use the Trijicon rmrs Originally you know and just have it Where you can just turn it So last question I live D Scopes do you know if they have the Optical Clarity you guys were speaking Of You know I've used a ton of Williams Sites over the years uh their iron Sights but I've never had any experience With any other Optics yeah they're

They're iron sights are excellent Quality yeah they're fire sites that They make are extremely bright with the Fiber optic that they use you know then Williams has been around forever yeah Um you know I remember Seeing stuff from them in you know gun Magazines when I was a little kid right So I would be I mean not knowing Anything we can't really answer that but I would not be surprised if they had the Quality uh the quality they put in their Other stuff Uh Village Idiot asked question for such And Robbie what do you think of Sightmark reflex inspect Uh sightmark some of their stuff is is Really really good they make some uh They make some long range Scopes that Work real well a lot of the guys that Shoot the NRL 22 precision rifle matches Are using the sightmark scopes for those But they've got they've got good Optical Clarity uh the the target turrets adjust Really well Um they're they'll shoot an Xbox pretty Close uh so you know they're they're Good scopes You know they're especially for the Money I mean they're right but they're Lower in stuff yeah they're mid-range Yeah they're mid-range they're they're Higher end stuff is more more mid-range Priced Right

Uh Mary Jane asked question first year Deer hunting and bought a new scope for My rifle any basic scope adjustments for Beginners Yes so you know your your elevation knob Is on top that's going to adjust up and Down your windage knob is on the right Side that's going to adjust left and Right and both of those should be marked With an arrow that you need to turn the Scope for uh they're generally marked uh For the arrow direction for up and the Arrow direction for right Um the biggest thing is don't try and go Straight to 100 yards and sight the Rifle in start off at about 25 yards get The rifle on paper adjust it get it to Center on paper at 25 then move to 50 Yards and zero it at 50 and then go to 75 zero it at 75 and then your final Zero at 100. it's going to take a little More ammunition So you think but overall it's a lot Faster and a lot easier than going to The range and you start shooting at a Piece of paper and you're not even Hitting it and have no idea where the Bullets are going so it's going to get Your own Target faster and get you Zeroed in a lot quicker with less Ammunition and it's according to who's Mounting it if you have some a gunsmith To mount it you'll level it out to where It's good just make you want to make

Sure that that elevation is well the Windage is level everything's set in Because that will really affect your Distance also your eye relief you want To make sure that when you look through That scope you have a clear view there's It's not like part of the scope is in The reticle and you're kind of trying to Look and you're trying to get your head You want to make sure that when you put That rifle up and you get your cheek Weld that it's a natural wide open view Yeah and the easy way to do that is to Close your eyes bring the rifle up to Your shoulder and open your eyes and you Should have a full visual view of the Scope with no blackouts anywhere around On it if you're seeing black in any area Move your head back until it clears up Or move your head forward until it Clears up And then adjust the scope accordingly to That A quick and easy tip that I can give you Guys for mounting a scope is all your Scopes on the bottom here have a flat Area see if you can see that on the Bottom got that little flat area right There When you mount your scope on top of your Receiver if you're using a one-piece Rail Put a set of feeler gauges under the Scope and rock it back and forth and

Keep adding feeler gauges until you Can't rock it back and forth anymore Pull the feeler gauges out and snug your Rings down and that scope will be Perfectly mechanically zeroed and Leveled to the picatinny rail on the Receiver yeah that is a great tip and I Think there are some companies that Actually make some they are adjustment Parts for that but in this according if You have high low Rings that's another Thing your rings you know and it's Called what kind of Mount you have but You know some sometimes you need to have That higher that ring because it because Maybe the the objective lens is so big That it hits the barrel and you don't Want for the the uh to touch the barrel Or touch anything on the firearm uh you Want it to be to be set up where just The mount said that's right I like at Least an eighth of an inch in between The objective and the barrel so the Gap In between at least an eighth of an inch Um that's kind of the number that always Shoot for if I can get an eighth of an Inch I feel like it's really right where It needs to be right It's a good luck that's awesome Randy Brown asks can you find your target Faster with optic Optic yes and no uh yeah so red dot Optics you know it's you've got a wide Open field of view

Um which allows you to be able to pick Up your target very quickly uh if Something is shaded or or the sunlight Is not hitting it correctly a magnified Optic in a lot of cases will allow you To pick up something a lot quicker and Then you've got to take in field of view As well field of view is how much area You can see from edge to edge on the Scope at a given magnification so you Know if you've got a 24x scope and You're shooting at 100 yards and you've Got it cranked all the way up your field Of view may only be eight or ten feet at 100 yards so you're from edge to edge You're only seeing eight to ten feet and That's going to make it really difficult For you to pick up things in your Optica As well which is another one of the Reasons why I was talking about earlier I only use 2x out to 100 and then 1X a Magnification for every 100 yards after That because it keeps my field of view As broad as is possible to allow me to Pick up targets as quickly as I can yeah Especially they're moving but as far as Irons versus Magna or any kind of optic typically Your optic if you have it opened up Right you're going to be able to find Your target quicker yep You don't have to put one to one it's Like you've just got one dot to focus on I don't know if they have a tool that

Actually measures yeah there's so many Different companies and so many Different types of glass quality of Glass Clarity and then the lens Coatings That they put on the glass as well which AIDS in Optical Clarity too so a lot of Times what I use is kind of a gauge for Me is what we were talking about earlier Is how clear the glass is all the way Out to the edge your your lower cost Scopes as you start getting out toward The edge of the glass all the way around Is going to be cloudy Um and I've seen those that are cloudy From an eighth of an inch in so you've Got an eighth of an inch ring all the Way around the inside of the scope That's cloudy all the way into like a Quarter of an inch or maybe a little More that's cloudy and you'll see it When you look through the scope wind the Magnification up on it look through the Scope and don't look through the center Because the center is always going to be Pretty clear on most Scopes start Looking out toward the edge pick an Object focus on that object with the Scope and move the scope to where the Edge of the the edge of the glass is Focused on what you're looking at and See how clear it is there But that's kind of the gauge that I use Yeah not that I'm aware of there may be Some um

Some options out there because EMP Protection has gotten bigger and bigger Uh but I don't know of any that um that Actually advertise that as a as a seller And there could be I just don't know About it So Optics companies there's a good Selling point for you right now Again make sure you have a etched Radical tip Uh service venator asks question It seems like a lot of people are moving Towards an Option between the traditional scope and A red dot Uh I still like a variable power optic On my rifle I like the ability to be Able to dial it down to 1x if I'm up Close and the ability to wind it up to Whatever I need for for shooting out Further so I'm I'm a big variable Power Scope fan I try I tend to keep my Variable powers on the Lower Side Compared to a lot of people with the Exception of my Precision rifles they've Got some higher magnification scopes on Them not necessarily for magnifying for Taking a longer shot but for Target Detection at distance and then I can Dial the magnification back down once I've identified the target before I take The shot Uh d d tanner7 asked question about Canned goods any BPA concerns with the

Liners also is it just me or are cans Getting more flimsy these days I'm sure That they're cutting back on the Integrity structural Integrity I mean They're cutting back in every area as Food prices go up I mean whether it's Portions or anything that they can take Away from it you know that that's one of The things they do uh the size down Inflation kind of deal yeah and I would Definitely think there's a you know There could be a long-term BPA issue With pretty much any of your canned Foods uh that's that's what they use to Line and seal most of the cans but it Does protect them from that taste that You know metallically taste but um you Know again uh I think if you've got Canned food held back for for survival I Think you know BPA be pretty low PA is Low on my threat list Uh Ryan Clement asked question do you Have any experience with Swamp Fox Optics if so how does it compare to a Vortex I've heard some good things about Swamp fire Um or yeah Swamp Fox I've heard some if I could remember what it was uh yeah Some Swamp Fox but uh and I've used a Few of them and had pretty good results With it I would say that they compare Very evenly with the uh with the vortex Line of sights As far as durability reliability glass

Optical Clarity glass Clarity uh and Then the the design and the shape of the The hood that's over the glass for Protection is very similar to the uh to The vortex okay let's get into we're Going to hold off because we've got We're running we're getting close on Time so we want to make sure that we hit One of the big ones that's right this is The fully magnified optic variable power Uh you know gets up to really high Magnification that's right and uh your Long range Optics right long range Optics and like Robbie said and I Thought that was a really good point is Having that high magnification allows You to identify your Target and then you Could actually bring it back if you want And one of the big features that you get With a higher magnification optic that a Lot of times you won't see on your lower Magnification Optics is a parallax Adjustment what a parallax adjustment is Is it allows you to minimize the amount Of Parallax uh in a scoop at a given Distance most of your your one number Six is your one by eight stuff like this These are going to have a fixed 100 yard Parallax that's that's just how they're Designed that's the number that most Companies use so with your with your Larger higher magnification Scopes You've actually got an external Parallax Adjustment knob so you can you can dial

The Parallax at different distances and Basically what Parallax is Is as you move your head on the reticle You can you can see the reticle move At distance if you don't have the Correct Parallax dialed in you can Actually shift your point of impact by a Different head position on the optic Itself so by adjusting The Parallax it Fixes The Parallax at that specific Distance so even if your eye isn't Perfectly centered with the reticle You're still going to have a center Shot And two like a lot of times if I'm Really looking at pinpoint accuracy yeah Now we can hit man size targets with a Red dot at 300 yards but we're not Necessarily making a big small type You're not shooting dimes at 300 right And so this allows you to really focus In and get some really incredible Accuracy that's why you see these on Snipers exactly sniper Scopes right You've got the illuminated reticle You've Got The Parallax adjustment You've got large easy to see uh Target Turrets to where you can dial your Elevation you can dial for wind holds You know if you've got your Kestrel out You make wind calls you can dial an Adjustment for that wind call And there's there's so much ballistic Software out there now that really helps You in factoring or figuring uh a

Ballistic solution that it makes these Things almost effortless to use you know If you if you understand how to read the Wind and how to read Mirage uh elevation Is a constant you know that's one of Those things that if you know your Temperature uh barometric pressure and Humidity The the rosin fall of the bullet at any Given distance is it's an easy Mathematical calculation wind is the one That generally gets most people because They either factor for too much wind or Not enough wind and that's one of those Things that having a lot of experience Behind the rifle In different conditions really is the Only way to get really good at making Wind calls right right and then two Larger objective lenses allow more light Transmission you know a lot of times you Can put sun shades on here glare uh There's just a lot of things but yeah if We're like when we go to a thousand Yards we don't take the one to eight or One to six no we take the higher Magnification Scopes uh and you know That way we can really dial in on a Specific Target and get even small Targets with something like this where We may miss or we may get close or we May even hit but we're not able to get The Precision right we can with the long Range and with the higher magnification

Scopes you can actually spot the trace Off of your bullet which is basically The contrail coming off of the bullet as It cuts through the the water vapor or Humidity in the air so you can actually See the bullet go up and drop down into The Target and it's once you get used to Seeing it and know what you're looking For you can call a hit by the time the Bullet's halfway to the Target you know If it's going to hit it or if it's going To drop below it or go above it wow yeah That's right now there is one thing that We didn't cut well first and second Focal plane I think that's important That's a huge a huge thing to talk about Uh a lot of your your lower end Scopes Are going to be second focal plane and That means that the reticle size is Fixed it doesn't matter what Magnification you have it on that Reticle stays the same size 1X it's the Same 10x 20x whatever that reticle Always stays the same side size inside Yourself just behind the adjustment Correct And with a first focal plane scope the Reticle actually gets larger or smaller As you wind through your magnification Range for long range shooting most guys Really prefer the first focal plane Scope because you don't have a potential Of Shifting your shot off Target with a With a second focal plane scope you

Generally zero the rifle at the lowest Magnification setting or the highest Magnification setting and know that as You dial in between those two your point Of impact is going to shift some where With the first focal plane scope you Don't get that point of impact shift as You wind through your magnification Range and typically the first focal Planes have been traditionally more Expensive they have been yeah quite a Bit more expensive it's it's cheaper and Easier to manufacture a second focal Plane scope than it is a first focal Plane because the the majority of the Glass in a first focal plane is etched Where with the second focal planes a lot Of those are not etched reticles right But it does give you well and the cost Has come down on the first focal planes So if you're looking at first or second And I'll tell you it's kind of funny Because I've been shooting second focal Plane forever when I got my first first Focal plane of course it's been a number Of years ago now but when you crank it Up that reticle goes bro the rubber gets Big in the in the glass and uh but it Gives you a lot more Precision you can See a little better you know when you're Making that pinpoint shot now there are Fixed fixed Optics yep that's one more Power six four x six x you know 30 years Ago that was generally the go-to for a

Lot of guys with their hunting rifle was Just a fixed 4X or a fixed 6X all right And I thought I remember my my first Hunting rifle had a Ted Williams With a 32 millimeter objective on it you Know that was that was what rifle a lot Of rifles had and you know a lot of guys Use those very successfully for decades And uh you know it's been really nice to See the progression with uh with Optics Over the years and and how much they've Been improved now they do make I mean And they still make them they still make The fix oh yeah but then we have some of These like prism Scopes this is primary Arms it's a three Power Scope it's fixed Three power yep it has a the ACs reticle It you know you have your doctor you Have a lot of factors with it and what's Funny is a lot of guys that just like to Go out and shoot they don't even adjust Their turrets they get it on one point And that's what they use anyway so uh But this is a prism scope so it's built Like a tank I think they fired these off 50 caliber machine guns quite a bit uh And so these are tough you know sites so It may be something that you're like you Know what I don't want to bother with All that I just want some magnification This is what I want so you know and then The three to Nines you know those have Been those are like the big popular Hunting Scopes

Forever and they're still available They're still great Optics it's just That there's a lot of new additional Things that have upped the game and They've gotten us a little bit more Precise Um okay and then we have the long hourly We're gonna have to tone it out because We're at one o'clock already but long Shower Leaf Scopes is where you put the Scope out and so and that that's really Typically for your scout right right A Lot of people refer to it as a scout Scope uh or a Scout rifle scope because It mounts out more toward the center of The rifle instead of back you know Around three three and a half inches From your eye right so it allows you to Be able to pick it up and for gain it Makes it really fast we've done a number Of things with Scout setups and in fact My style yeah I have a steyer scout and It has that it has the mount way up Front and you put it on there and it's That long eye relief so you're able to You can get a really wide field of view I mean it's great for tracking it's just A lot of cool things and most of those Are typically most of your scout Scopes Are a lower magnification they're they Generally are a two to seven Power Scope Is what most of your scout Scopes are so You still have a good magnification Range but you have the ability to dial

It down and have a huge field of view Which for a Scout rifle which is Designed for a quick Target acquisition And fast shooting is real really ideal And that was Jeff Cooper's brainchild Yeah which was pretty cool yes it was uh Night vision is a whole other animal we Won't even get into that we did talk About that a while back but maybe we'll Have another episode but um anyway time Is out all the time is blowing by we Have a lot and two honestly we were Trying to keep this as simple as we Could but there's just so much to Optics So hopefully we've helped you maybe did You had a you know a certain idea for a Rifle you're going out to buy a scope uh Hopefully this will give you some good Choices or maybe you want a new scope or Maybe we've talked you into picking up a New scope for different various reasons Uh it's there's so many different ideas So many different things that you want To do with them and so it gives you just A lot of choices so that's the big thing Don't get like overwhelmed just go you Know what I have a lot of choices so any Of these Scopes will work for a lot of Clothes you know just medium range That's right so this gives you either Close in out out the distance So we really appreciate Sarah Mack for Uh taking care of the questions and Monitoring the comments uh big thanks to

Robbie Wheaton for being here and um Just giving us a lot of knowledge Robbie Has done quite a bit of long-range Shooting setups and long range shooting Matches he's done a lot so it was really Good to have him here to get into some Of the details I brought the big brain Today yeah me I'm sitting over here Going huh okay not really but we really Do appreciate it and hopefully it'll Help you and that's the whole reason We're here today uh so we're going to go Ahead and sign off but check out Robbie Wheaton at wheatonarms.com also Wheaton Arms YouTube channel great resource and Uh we just really appreciate you guys For being here today be strong be of Good courage God Bless America long live The republic

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